Our government is openly condemning conservatives for what we believe. On April 7, the Extremism and Radicalization Branch of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) issued an “Assessment” entitled, Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment. This report should be of great concern to all Americans – for many reasons. Among them, our federal government promises to monitor groups and individuals based on their thoughts and beliefs. The report makes no distinction between those who advocate violence and those who promote and uphold constitutional principles.
The Assessment is troubling because its charges are based on conjecture, with no statistics or research to substantiate its claims. The Assessment warns against conservative thought – specifically beliefs in national sovereignty, border security, 2nd Amendment rights, and a pro-life advocacy – as a rallying point for the perpetuation of more conservative thought.
What the Report Says:
- “Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures.”
There is nothing “perceived” about the loss of jobs. In discussing the 5.1 million jobs lost since December 2007, Keith Hall, Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, said “These declines have been widespread across industry sectors, but particularly sharp in manufacturing, construction, and temporary help services.” Last month 161,000 jobs in manufacturing and 126,000 jobs in construction were lost. There have been over 800,000 home foreclosure filings this quarter.
- “Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use.”
Apparently, citizens are no longer allowed to disagree with the administration in power. In the 1990’s Democrats and congressional Republicans worked together to reform welfare. It seems that now, any disagreement with the administration’s “expansion of social programs to minorities,” will be met with intimidation from federal law enforcement.
- “Rightwing extremists were concerned during the 1990s with the perception that illegal immigrants were taking away American jobs through their willingness to work at significantly lower wages.”
Illegal immigrants were, and still are, taking American jobs. Why is Homeland Security more concerned with the thoughts of American citizens than the crimes of illegal immigrants? The so-called “perception” to which the report refers, was understood by a broad spectrum. A 2006 Time Magazine poll showed that 36 percent of Republicans and 37 percent of Democrats felt that illegal immigrants “take jobs away from Americans.”
- “Rightwing extremist paranoia of foreign regimes could escalate or be magnified in the event of an economic crisis or military confrontation…The dissolution of Communist countries in Eastern Europe and the end of the Soviet Union in the 1990s led some rightwing extremists to believe that a ‘New World Order’ would bring about a world government that would usurp the sovereignty of the United States and its Constitution, thus infringing upon their liberty. The dynamics in 2009 are somewhat similar…”
When the Supreme Court cites laws of other countries and when members of Congress suggest that the UN Security Council should make our national security decisions for us, that is an infringement of American sovereignty.
- “DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat…The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.”
This is perhaps the most disturbing argument being made in this report. To lump our veterans in with terrorists is unconscionable.
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April 17, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Todd
This is so stupid although it holds alot of truth. Why when I personally went to Iraq right or wrong would this administration beleive I am an extremist.
Myself and my friends fought for this country and now we are being classified as extremist. we are not extremist but you will create some with this kind of dumb stuff.
April 17, 2009 at 10:08 pm
George Page
You say: “…although it holds alot of truth”. Please give a single example of what you’re talking about that is not just pure plain 100% political spin.
April 17, 2009 at 8:28 pm
J. C. Mossman
Sounds like the old KGB! This is repulsive and dangerous!
April 17, 2009 at 8:34 pm
DocOutlands
King George learned a hard lesson about marginalizing a certain group of citizens/subjects in the 1700’s. DHS forgets the current form of government exists due to the consent of the People. When our servants start acting like imperial overlords, We The People might treat them as such, just like we did in the 1700’s.
April 17, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Patricia Kilroy
As a proud Military Mom, I find this highly offensive and profoundly disturbing !
Once again, the real Stealth Jihadists in this country are being overlooked and coddled to more and more every day.
How dare this administration insinuate that our fine men and women in uniform are somehow stupid and easily turned into anarchists & common criminals.
Shame, shame, shame !!!!
April 17, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Linda Gerd Moyer
Talk about common criminals, half of the current administration are tax cheats. The President himself bows to a Saudi king and shakes hands with a dictator in Venezuela who just last month called him an imbecil. What has happened to our country??????
April 19, 2009 at 9:33 am
Chase Stevens
Hugo Chávez is the president of Venezuela.
He was elected.
April 19, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Michael M.
It would appear that Mr. Stevens is one of our more un-educated bloggers. Chavez was “elected” in one of the most rigged elections this world has ever witnessed. Chavez insisted on the use of voting machines from Smartmatic Corp, a Venezuelan corp. and one identified with numerous questionable outcomes from their machines worldwide. Additionally, Chavez had literally thousands of political enemies taken off of the voting roles before the “election”. Exit polls done by international poll workers clearly showed that 58% of voters wanted Chavez removed while only 41% wanted him retained. Oddly – the posted “results” were 58% in favor of Chavez – 41% opposed. Come on now Mr. Stevens – just how stupid do you really thing we are?
April 17, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Cindy Michutka
As a military brat I am very proud of our miltary men and woman who server our country. And for our own government to lump these men and woman with terrorists is just plain STUPID!!!
May God have mercy on you. 😦
April 17, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Robin Larson
My fellow Americans;
It has occurred to me that obama’s (I refuse to capitalize his name in protest) administration is doing exactly what the Democrats accused President Bush’s administration of doing: spying on American citizens. Except his spying is on American citizens within America talking to fellow Americans.
This man, obama, is an evil man. He is an empty suit who wants to not only empty our treasure but actually destroy America.
A true patriot in thought, word and deed.
Robin Larson, in Seattle
April 18, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Mary Brown
I agree with your comments and from now on, I will no longer put a Capitol letter at the beginning of “his” name. This is the first time in my life that I feel I do not have a President. This person – who now proudly uses his middle name – hussein – is doing exactly what he set out to do. obama has no respect for our country or for its people. obama wants to lessen America’s power and integrity and replace our way of life with what he sees as the vision for the world. I, for one, do not want to become like my European counterparts and I, for sure, do not want to become a follower of Islam – as I fear is obama’s deep secret. I refuse to be silent any longer and will do and say whatever I can to get others to recognize the direction obama is trying to lead us.
An American Patriot, who will praise God, pledge our flag and do whatever is necessary to protect our Constitution and way of life.
Mary Brown
April 19, 2009 at 9:24 am
Chase Stevens
Dear Ms Mary Brown
I assume that you have a problem with Mr Obamas middle name -that name being Hussein-? and from that I would also draw the conclusion that you also are anti-middle east and Islam. Either that or you’ve just jumped on the band wagon.
Ms Brown I would simply like to ask what intention did you have when you pointed out Barracks middle name?
April 19, 2009 at 3:54 pm
rose murry
dear Mary Brown…tears filled my eyes when I read your comment. Pray, pray, pray and seek the face of our Creator…the Government is on His Shoulders…Jesus….is the only Way, Truth, and the Life. Holy Spirit show us what to do daily. In His Service, Rose Murry
April 20, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Cynthia
AMEN Ms. Mary Brown – you go girl! I absolutely refuse to capitalize barack hussein obama’s name.
April 18, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Chase Stevens
It has occured to me people who can read that this is exactly what the liberals were doing when the republicans were in power.
April 27, 2009 at 11:41 am
Steve
What is happening now is that changes are being made to the very fabric of this nation and it’s constitution unilaterally and without any referendum. Being president does not provide one cart blanche to do whatever one wishes or thinks is best, even with best of intentions. The liberals were raising hell when our folks were spying on suspected terrorists. Now they have added anyone who does not agree with their agenda to that list, and will lsten to Americans talking to Americans and justify it using that wonderful “logic”. Where is the indignation now? Where is the outrage?
Where’s mister Colmes and his self proclaimed “defender of the constitution” diatribe? You see, the only reason that the current administration would have to worry about all us vets and “radicals” is if they decided to change what this country is in violation of the Constitution, and forsaking the principles on which this nation was founded. They instinctively know that those who have forught for freedom can do it again when called, and are afraid. And as for your statement about Islam, read the Qur’an. It’s obvious you don’t.
April 17, 2009 at 10:46 pm
kathleen
we are Americans and we have an opinion too and our …yes”our “government is stepping over the line .we are a part of this country and dont like whats going on and have the right to demonstrate in an orderly fashion without being labeled terrorists ,a liberal doesnt like to be labeled ,because i do have some labels for them
April 17, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Amy
When I heard about this report, I was furious. So being a conservative teenager who is staunchly pro-life, pro-gun rights, anti-gay marriage, and not buying the evolution crap the educational system is trying to sell means I’m an extremist?
I’m not afraid of the FBI coming to my house because I wore a Choose Life shirt to school. If that happens, I’ll just say, “The First Amendment says I can! What are you going to do about it?”
April 18, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Chase Stevens
I’m curious why can’t you accept the “Evolution Crap” that you’re being taught? I’m going to assume based solely on what you’ve said that you’re a concervative christian probably nearing the 17-18 mark.
You should know that the theroy of evolution doesn’t exclude god from the creation of life and that evoloution is merely a suggestion on how life got to be in it’s present form.
It’s quite possible to accept both god and evolution as truth if you truely understand the process of evolution. Actually you’re a product of evolution.
April 19, 2009 at 11:48 am
mike
Chase,
I firmly believe that evolution is not possible as described by text books, if you believe in the Bible. Consider the progression of creation as outlined by the Bible in Genesis:
Gen 1:9-13 states that on the third day God made plants, trees, grass, herbs.
Gen 1:14-19 states that God made the lights of the firmament seasons and divide the day from night and made two great lights to rule the day and night (Sun/moon)
I am not the brightest light in the room, but I am fairly sure that biology proves and teaches that plants require the sun to live? How can plants come before the sun if it takes millions of years to evolve? I can see a tree living for a single day without the sun, which suggests that the creation of God was probably al iteral day. That’s what I believe, and I am 42 YOA. I will place my trust in Jesus Christ and God, the creator of the heavens and the earth.
April 20, 2009 at 4:43 am
Chase Stevens
Ok it seems you might be confused as to what evolution is, Evolution is NOT about how life is created it is about how life has come to reach it’s present form and yes it does take millions of years to evolve but the planet, the sun and the entire universe has been around much much longer.
So since God is usually credited with the creation of life and evolution suggests how life has come to be like it is today, it is possible to accept both as truth, they are not exculsive of each other. Of course that doesn’t mean you have to accept both.
April 20, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Cynthia
I agree, Mike.
Did you know that Charles Darwin was a Christian? He came up with the evolution crap for a college paper that was due and didn’t have anything prepared – so he made it all up just to hand something in!! His professors loved it and it took off from there. (Another example of the many ways the great deceiver does his dirty work, huh?)
May God have mercy on our nation. May God bless His children. In the blessed, holy, beloved name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Oh, I guess I’m an extremist now.
April 17, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Clay
I think this is down right insulting to all the men and women who have served our great country in our armed services. Our country was founded on conservative, christian values. And we were given constitutional rights . And this administration is trying to take that all away. Wake up people. Its time we stood up and let them know this is not acceptable. We have to ban together as we did in the Tea Parties and let our voices be heard. They work for us and we need to make sure they understand that. Keep the faith and God Bless America.
April 17, 2009 at 10:55 pm
L. Moyer
Key word, they work FOR us, lets band together and fire their behinds!!
DON’T VOTE THEM BACK IN!!!
April 18, 2009 at 8:05 am
Linda P.
Clay, I read your views and agree highly to what you have said, being a mom with a son over sea’s is hard enough, but to coop with all this bull with what our Government is doing it is also very heart breaking to see our Country ripped apart. I have to believe God is looking down and keeping us all safe from what could be very hard times yet to come and I’m not just talking about the Economy, Thanks for your views, Linda
April 27, 2009 at 11:44 am
Steve
You got it right, Clay. And look at the response of people like cerebral Pelosi. Her picture should reside next to ‘arrogance” in the dictionary.
April 17, 2009 at 11:22 pm
M J
The most appalling thing in this bogus assessment is their atrocious comparison of right wing thinking with the KKK!!! Do they not get that self made “Black America” is sick and tired of having their income taxed to death and redistributed to those not willing to work! That “Black America” is just as tired of having jobs lost to those not paying taxes. And “Black America” is Christian!!!
April 18, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Chase Stevens
The KKK are an example of Extremist right wing thinking, just as anarchist groups are an example of extremist left wing thinking.
April 17, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Judyv
God Bless America!
April 17, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Concerned about our future
The “one” the american people need to be concerned with is “obama” and his administration along with CNBC, CCN,CMSN,CBS, NBC media pundits. They are the “leftwing extremists”. As proud americans we need to unit together, stand strong for what we believe in. How can this president request that a statue of Jesus be covered up? I don’t get it? Is this “guy” anti-religious? If so, he needs to respect all that are. I don’t slam people that don’t believe in GOD. I don’t infringe my personal beliefs on others. I don’t believe the government needs to give handouts to people that will not help themselves. We all have a choice in this country. I choose to get an education and be self reliant and independent. I don’t want to depend on others to feed me, cloth me, put a roof over my head, or to take care of me. I can take care of myself. I don’t need the government to do this for me. I think there is a conspiracy to supress the weak instead of enpowering them to be independent. I believe there is a time and place when people need help but it is temporary until they can get on their feet. I lived in California for years and helped finance the welfare families for years. They refused to get up and get a job to support themselves and their familiy. They refused to be responsible and self supporting. Their attitude was “Why work when the government pays you to stay at home”. Who in their right mind would allow a government to supress me from having a better life. I finally had enough of supporting welfare families and chose to move out of California. I do not believe in being imprisoned within the government.
April 18, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Chase Stevens
You never choose to get an education, you were forced into it.
You have no choice nor have you ever had a choice to get anything but an education. Thats why there are things like truency laws, to make sure you complete the bare minimum requirements.
Now you say that you’ve had enough supporting those welfare families lets just hope to hell that you retain your job and don’t have to go on welfare your self. Do you know why there are things such as welfare? It’s so that people have money so that they may buy things (eg: food). Welfare only truely became promenint in America after the great depression so that people who (through no fault of their own) have money to live.
Do you truely think that someone would choose to live on the pittence that is welfare?
Don’t you think that they’d rather work the eight or ten hour day so that they can afford to send their children to a decent school, buy their children and themselves nice things or even just have some money in the bank?
For some people (like the disabled) it is impossible to find a job, absolutly impossible and for some people try as they might no one will employ them.
Granted there are people who abuse the system but that happens in any society.
April 18, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Dennis
Yes I do believe there are people who choose to live on a pittance of say close to $50,000 a year when you add up all the benefits! My wife’s cousins come from generations of them!!! The great part of this country is that you are free (for now) to make something of yourself and bring yourself out of nothing, but you can’t be lazy to do it. Investigate where Ophra came from, and Bill O’Rielly. They were dirt poor and through HARD WORK brought themselves to where they are today. I am a FIRM believer in WORKFARE and I support many ministries that help people, but people need to help themselves also and that takes work and a lot of people are not willing to do it!!
April 19, 2009 at 1:57 am
Chase Stevens
If you divide $50,000 a year into all the nessetities of life for say a family of five you’ll realise that it borders on poverty.
Like I said there are people who choose to live on this pittence because they are lazy but a vast majority would probably rather do anything else, but with people losing their jobs left, right and centre it’s more likely than not that people will not be able to find work, not only that but more people will have to go on welfare because they’ve lost their jobs.
April 17, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Mike B
First remove God, then guns from the citizens. Let me think, have governments in the past done this? Yes they have and guess who they were. BO is a joke and I find it an insulting to the military and all vets(including myself) that he is saluted. He never served and in my opinion has not earned that right.
April 18, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Chase Stevens
“First remove God, then guns from the citizens.”
Or Gods, plural.
April 17, 2009 at 9:16 pm
George Page
Our broken Gov’t has sunk to an all time low by labeling us Veterans as highly possible Terrorists because over 15 years ago there was just 1 out of 42 Million Veterans who went crazy, Timothy McVeigh.
However, our broken Gov’t currently has labeled the real foreign Terrorists of the 9/11 attacks as only acts of: “Natural and Man made Disasters”.
How in the world did we patriotic Veterans become the focus of the 9/11 Terrorist attacks when not even one U.S. Citizen or Veteran was involved in these attacks ???
Uh, why do our borders still remain unsecured ???
Napolitano should resign now !!! Her apology of: “To the extent that…” is weak, even more offensive, and inappropriate.
April 21, 2009 at 1:57 am
McCain comments on McVeigh
Yesterday Sen. McCain pointed out that Timothy McVeigh learned to make bombs after his dishonorable discharge from the military.
So to imply in the DHS Right Wing Extremism Report that combat veterans are possible terrorist to be followed because of combat skills they have learned, has no basis in any history or any known facts, at all, period.
April 17, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Netlinks
This commenter was reading about all this back in ’95 through patriot news publications like “Give Me Liberty” with many of the articles by Paula D.
Paula and many others saw the “writing on the wall” then and tried to inform other patriots of what was happening to our country.
Traditional family values, religion (primarily Christians), patriots, sovereignty, our natural history and culture were under attack and being re-vised and erased. The re-education and indoctrination of our children in public schools was well underway in leading to a socialistic, fascist society. The United States and the dangers of being involved with specific treaties of the United Nations involving “citizens of the world” was predicted.
The results are obvious today. Government is controlling the people.
America is becoming a “nanny state” and “whoever feeds you, controls you.”
Not “conspiratorial” non-sense, but “plain sense” observations.
April 18, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Chase Stevens
This is how a rebublic/democratic government works you elect them then they tell you what is good for you based soley on how they feel.
If however you want the people to rule then your a communist. As communism is a form of government that attempts to eradicate the need for governments at all and instead seeks to place everyone on the same level when it comes to decision making.
April 18, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Chase Stevens
Oh yes and whoever feeds you does control you. That is untill someone who offers more comes along.
April 20, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Michael Upton
Your understanding of communism is pure hogwash! Look at the history of communism to see what it is really all about.
April 27, 2009 at 11:56 am
Steve
Seems to me that you need to read (or re-read) the Bill of rights and the preamble! And please show me one communist country run by the people.
April 17, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Stan
As a Veteran, although I only served one hitch in the Navy, I feel betrayed by obama’s government.
April 17, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Robert Moore
Remember the movie “The Patriot” (Mel Gibson)? It was modeled after Francious (spelling) Mariot, the Swamp Fox (of Disney fame). His reluctance to fight the revolution was based on this:”Why should I want to replace a tyrant 3000 miles away with 3000 tyrants one mile away”? Which looks like the situation today. Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, one half were Christians with seminary training. Christ rejoined the ear of the roman soldier, whereas Mohamed himself personally beheaded 600 Jews in a resistant city. Which do you personally define as evil? Like the Freedom/Democracy lovers in China we are expected to lie down in front of the tanks. Your thoughts are the next battlefield! and the thought police (1984) are on the way. Fabian Socialists have never given up and have been very methotical. Our childeren are brainwashed k thru 12 and at University. Prove it to yourself. And if freedom of speech is killed we will be reduced to passing around CD’s. Truth can be viral. It may have to be.
April 18, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Chase Stevens
Evil is a matter of perception.
April 17, 2009 at 11:54 pm
elaine
I got shivers down my spine when I read this report. I knew Obama wanted to take this country down the wrong path, but this really scares the crap out of me. When added to the government’s hands in banking, auto manufacturing and if you read the last piece of Rosa Brooks in the L.A. Times before she went to work for the Pentagon, you too will know just how much control this government wants.
Rather than quote her, just google her name and you will se what she said.
Well from one right-wing extremist to another, God Bless America and God Bless those who stand up and fight for her.
April 18, 2009 at 12:49 am
Dave Rupp
What is obama and his administration thinking? With the release of this report, the “Torture” memo and Napolitano’s “An apology is owed” comment (but not really apologizing). He and his “Progressive” cohorts are “giving away the farm” to our enemies. But it’s NOT his farm to give away. He was only hired on to be a steward of the farm, not to destroy it. I really like what DocOutlands said (above) about our servants are acting like our overlords.
April 18, 2009 at 12:58 am
Joy
I saw Oliver North’s response to this document last night, and am glad I read it in in it’s entirety. Wow. It’s obvious who has the paranoia, and it’s not those of us who are conservative. I just pray that God will protect the minds and spirits of the Law Enforcement agencies who are supposed to be influenced by this report. I think I read the phrase, “right wing extremists” about 500 times in a single report. Talk about propaganda against Christians, pro-life, military, and many other God-fearing citizens of our “we the people” country. Please, please, (I’m pleading with Janet and Obama) destroy this document and reconsider your own paranoia.
Think about it. Why would pro-life (or those opposed to abortion, as you put it) be a threat???? We want to save lives, not destroy them! Since your voice is so strong against the life of the unborn, why don’t you go to youtube.com and watch “Silent Scream” and then see who is the real victim.
And why not start focusing on the real enemies of the US, not the ones you’ve conceived in your own mind.
April 18, 2009 at 1:20 am
Sue
I just want to let all of you, who served our country, to please know there are so many Americans grateful for what you do and have done, and I am very sorry that these types of documents being issued, and comments from Homeland Security Leaders misrepresent the gratitude we feel. Your families are grateful but so are a vast majority of unnamed Americans. Thank you.
There is a lot of distrust with this administration. They should work to build trust with Americans who don’t agree with them on everything. I believe this would settle fears since they are changing so much in a short period of time and people are not comfortable with that. If they would respectfully answer concerns of the journalists or average American the way they deal with dictators, it might give them some credibility. However, when they are questioned, they start belittling the concerned individual or dismiss them as rightwingers. This is very stressful. It is also not what Americans are used to dealing with from most of our leaders.
Anyway, thanks.
April 18, 2009 at 3:42 am
patriot
The demoncrap party are all guilty of treason and I say we all band together and form a patriot industrial militia complex. We all took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of The United States of America against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC, and the demoncraps are the
DEMONIC DOMESTIC ENEMIES SINCE 1913. This is our counry they are johnny come lately in the whole scheme of things and are trying to hijack and change america into a satellite communazisocialistfacist police state of the ungodly united nations-nato-european union axis. I would not put it past the demoncraps to be conspiring to band together with the communist countries like russia, china,spain, venezuela, and mexico to help them try to disarm all christians and totally take over USA.
The 10th amendment leaves the power in our court and the corporate de facto gov. is derelict. We are sovereign the gov. is not, and the power of the Colonial Law, Magna Charta, Common Law, and Constitution are there
for us to enforce via De Jure Government and Article III Assise Courts. It would be the ultimate orgasm for me to see all those evil maggots who have been trying to bulid a world government arrested for treason, sedition, subversion, usurpaton of the Republic, tried convicted and executed, all their stare decises perverted straw man laws ripped out by the roots and our beatiful Constitution and Sovereign Republic restored. I really do hate demoncraps and would prefer to only do business and work with Patriot Republicans and Libertarians. dems make me puke. I hate their
perverted pagan hollywierd culture. This country is really too small for us to share. They need to all go to their own country ie.. china, or russia or back to hell with lucifer the maggot pukes. Why should we treat them any different than we did the red coats ? Their bones would make good fertilizer for the environment. environmental communists like a virus infecting the world. I truely believe they are the devils minions…………….we can defeat them but we must catch them off guard.
What a movie plot this would make ??????????
April 18, 2009 at 8:50 am
Michael Upton
Thanks for making this insidious report public. Obama promised to heal the partisan divide and gridlock and bring a new tone to Washington. He promised the most transparent administartion in history. Instead, he has succeeded in polarizing the country as no other President has done. Apparently, eliminating partisan gridlock will be accomplisted by turning the United States into a communist paradise and eliminating we pesky patriots. NOTE TO THE DHS SPIES READING THIS: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS RACE! IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HIM BEING A LIAR, A FRAUD, AND A TRAITOR!
According to Obama and his minions, those of us who support and defend the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and have studied and believe in the principles and values in the Federalist Papers and other writings of our Founding Fathers and Mothers are now terrorists. What an OUTRAGE! They call us terrorists, but refuse to use that term for our real enemies.
Obama and his minions have imposed on America the most tyrannical government in our history. Obama has outdone King George III and the list of grievances we now have would take reams and reams of paper to list. We should be very afraid, but they should be even more afraid of an aroused and angry citizenry who have been disefranchised for decades, culminating in the election of the current crop of lunatics and traitors in 2008 and who are as mad as hell and aren’t going to take it any more. Raping, pillaging, plundering, and extortion are not American values.
Obama should fire DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano and all others involved in the preparation of this insidious report. Then he should resign. Of course that will never happen, so what is the remedy?
IMHO, almost all federal elected and appointed officials of all parties and most members of the U.S. Supreme Court, are GUILTY OF TREASON. They each took the oath of office set forth in the Constitution to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Since the vast majority of Congress and Obama and his so-called administration are shredding the Constitution 24/7, they have violated their oaths of office and are therefore subject to being charged with treason and if convicted, to be put to death, just as our Founders did with traitors.
Since Congress will not impeach Obama and he will not resign, there is only one viable means of removing the most corrupt and arrogant Congress and admininitration in our history in relatively short order: The U.S. military. Military forces, led by the Marine Corps, should descend on Congress and the White House, arrest all occupants therein and seize their assets, temporarily seize control of the federal government, revoke the trillions of dollars of stimulus packages and the out of control spending, schedule elections limited to those who actually believe the original intent of the Constitution is for limited government, and go from there.
While that is in progress, prosecutions for treason would proceed. Those convicted of treason would be shot as soon as possible after their convictions, provided however, that those who are sympathetic to radical Islam should experience the favored method of Islamic capital punishment.
I know this is a radical remedy; however, the U.S. military is the only branch of government that still holds to the values of duty, honor, country and are the only ones to be trusted to take on this task. and save this great Republic from the treacherous, treasonous vermin now in power.
An alternative is to have a second American Revolution to throw the bums out, but that would be time-consuming and possibly bloody.
Carpe Deum!
April 18, 2009 at 10:25 am
Generals/Troops must rise up !!!
You’re right !!!
But do our Generals and troops have the guts to rise up to the occasion ???
This one tall order that requires a well thought out and quick plan of action.
April 18, 2009 at 10:34 am
George Page
I don’t think this will ever happen.
April 18, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Chase Stevens
“An alternative is to have a second American Revolution to throw the bums out, but that would be time-consuming and possibly bloody.”
And this ladies and gents is an example of right wing extremism. Someone who would willingly attempt a revolution based soley on idealistic priciples is classed as an extremist. No doubt that when Bush ruled the USA there were many left wingers saying the exact same thing.
April 19, 2009 at 8:13 pm
elaine
I am concerned with the idea of any type of violent take over of the Government. That type of talk is exactly the type that will only prove them right and they will use it to their advantage not ours. There are ways to get our voices heard and the actions we want taken; we must not descend on our Govenrment violently, we must descend on our elected officials from every state and let them know we are not happy with what they are doing. Believe me they want to keep their jobs and they do know that elections are happening next year and if the majority of their consatituents let them know they will not have their support next year, they will have not choice but to act according to their bosses wishes or else they will be out of a job next year.
April 20, 2009 at 1:37 am
George
Do you not see that at the current rate of big Gov’t take overs in just 3 short months that by the end of next year we won’t even have the right to vote out the jerks anymore.
He who holds the Money makes the rules, and obama holds more Money in just 3 months than all our previous Presidents combined.
April 20, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Michael Upton
Elaine,
I did not suggest a violent take over of the government, for that would be violence against ourselves because we the people are the government. When the government violates the Constitution on a daily basis, we have the obligation to speak out and try to change things via elections; however, what do you propose we do if our federal elected officials do not listen to us and repsond to our very real concerns about their treasonous abuse of power?
The liberals have successfully gerriimandered Congressional Districts to tilt elections in their favor. When 12-20 million illegal iimmigrants are given the right to vote, there will be no way to vote them out.
This administration has done more in 3 months to destroy our country than any other administration in our history.
The signers of the Declaration of Independence and the authors of our Constitution wisely foresaw there may come a time when we must revolt against a government that has become illegitimate and illegal because it does not adhere to the Constitution. This did not start with Obama; it started over 100 years ago and he represents what happens when the checks and balances in our system of government no longer work.
I suggested a peaceful take over by the military because they are the only unit of government I trust. Arrest and prosecution, while planning new elections, are not violent actions. If millions of outraged patriots descended on Washington, D.C., to throw the bums out, that would not necessarily be violent either; however, I do recognize the potential for what you call violence. Our Founders tried peaceful resistance and patient entreaties to a tyrannical government, but the abuses escalated, just as they are now, and they were compelled to seek independence, which led the British to start a war. That is what will happen to us if we continue to acquiesce in the face of unprecendented abuse of power and tyranny by the federal government. My patience of over 40 years has run out.
If you want to disagree with our Founders, so be it to your peril.
April 18, 2009 at 10:09 am
PROVOKING TO GET A REACTION
I’m beginning to believe that the Democratic White House and Congress may be purposely trying to anger and provoke Republicans, Veterans, Right to Life groups, 2nd Amendment Gun groups, and any others with their run away tax, spend, and unread bills.
All just for the purpose of instigating and causing someone or a group to either riot or attempt to take things into there own hands. Then they can say, “I told you so” about this ridiculous Homeland Security Right Wing Extremism Report.
Also, they can easily pass legislation to declare Marshall Law, set aside the Constitution, and implement obama as dictator.
I don’t think that this is too far fetched at all given the extent that the Dems are power grabbing, disregarding the Constitution, and already taking over every aspect of Capitalism and our freedoms by passing their unchallenged laws.
April 18, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Bill
As a former Marine.. I am ashamed of these remarks about the possible
use of Military Vet for subversive actions against the current Administration
and this Country. I recall the policies of the Clinton years, that spiked the
increase of Militias.and the fears were close to what is going on now,
oppressive Gun Control, loss of freedom, Big Brother, the weak foreign policy,
and economic stupidity.I feel we are heading for revolution , and it will not
be a battle at the ballot box, but at the Bullet box. The silent majority is
not going to be silent any longer.We have had enough,This current administration is the worst of the worst..all the America haters are in power,
and have thirty years of pent-up malice to expend.We are in for a very rough
ride. Because of a unpopular war,the media and all the left-wing pundits
have helped dupe the younger generation into voting in this administration
that could very well be the end of America as we know it. I pray for the people and hope this can be stopped by regaining the congress, otherwise
its going to go to the next level. The writers of this report did their homework, now if they only realize why this is happening, when they fear
the people, we should fear them.Our only salvation maybe the Military, that is where the real defenders of the Constitution Live.I never thought
I would live to see this all happen, but this could be the Second Revolution
and it will not be pretty, we are up against the most evil in the world
since the times of the Bible…I pray for our Military that they gain the insight and wisdom to know the real enemies of this Republic.
April 18, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Heather.F
I am a disabled Iraqi veteran and I am very upset that our government can call returning Iraqi veterans would-be terrorists. Our President and government are now calling acts of terrorism “man-made disasters”. Lets try calling it what it is!! Returning Iraqi veterans are HEROES and these so-called man-made disasters are nothing more than cowardly acts of TERRORISM!!!
I am disgusted that since President Obama entered office he has done nothing but disrespect the country he was voted to lead and command. President Obama would now have us and the rest of the world look at our country as nothing special. I and several other billion Americans would tend to disagree!!
I was raised by my parents to believe that if you do not love our great country and the freedom it offers then you should leave it. I hope Mr. Obama doesn’t let the door hit him on the ass!!!!
I wasn’t a returning disabled and “disgruntled” Iraqi veteran until I heard and read the DHS report and until I heard and saw Mr. Obama disrespecting our great country!! To think, all of this nonsense that is being spouted against our country, our people and our veterans is coming from a man who we still don’t even know whether or not is qualified legally based on U.S. citizenship to lead and command our country.
I did not vote for Mr. Obama, I do not support amnesty for illegal immigrants and I am in favor of our Second Amendment and right to bear arms. Does this make me a “would-be terrorist”? Absolutely NOT!!!! It makes me one damn proud and legal U.S. citizen who is exercising their right to their own opinion and their right to freedom of speech.
If our government chooses to view me as a would-be terrorist then I guess I should start expecting to be added on to their list of people that BIG BROTHER has been watching. Hmmmmm… should I worry about my V.A. disability benefits next????
April 18, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Chase Stevens
This is about extremists right? You know people who would threaten your life for not believing in what they do, terriosts in other words. People with guns and bombs and stuff is what this is about.
And if you don’t like the fact that your elected government can and will poke it’s nose into your bussiness become communists. That way you won’t have a government to worry about.
April 18, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Matthew McKinsey
I feel that this report is lumping together ordinary conservative Americans with far right lunatics. Those tea parties a couple of days ago were no different than the anti-war rallies that took place during the Bush Administration. I didn’t hear conservatives whining when there were anti-war rallies. By the way, these tea parties had nothing to do with the fact that we just elected a black president, we would be protesting in the same manner if Obama was a white man. This is the first amendment, freedom of speech.
April 19, 2009 at 2:00 am
Chase Stevens
I’ll bet there were tonnes of concervatives whining about how anti-war protests were not only “un-patriotic” but probably insulting to the men and women doing their jobs overseas.
April 18, 2009 at 1:57 pm
maasanova
The DHS assesment mirrors the MIAC reports with is just re-hashed Anti-Defamation League, Southern Poverty Law Center, Simon Weisnthal center nonsense.
Since when did special interest Jewish groups start running law enforcement groups in the United States and why do police departments across the US allow it?
Is the ADL teaching police to fear and mistrust Americans?
(fapolicycenter note: Links removed. Please see Posting Guidelines.)
April 18, 2009 at 2:32 pm
A. Stuart
All those currently in military service and all of us who are veterans of said service were sworn by oath to protect against all enemies foreign and domestic. We are all also trained up to be a fighting force, deadly and dreaded by any enemy. I’m apalled by this “assessment” and its overt attempt to make our (vet’s) service look like something to qualify us as possible terrorists. Madame DHS secretary, here’s some food for thought. Even though the huge majority of us active/veteran military folks are just average folks, we didn’t take a memory erasing pill upon exiting the service. Yes I do still maintain all the training and experience I gained. Neither did I sign a paper releasing me from the responsibility to keep our country safe from said enemies, both foreign and domestic. What does that mean in simple terms? I’m just an average guy, going about my business. But I still have the training and I believe I’m still under the oath. If one (i.e. current admin) tries to make us the enemy, then they are designating themselves as enemy of us (vet’s, conservative thinkers, Christians etc). Please don’t do that! The only true thought that I could find in this report is the idea that we “right wing, military, conservative” persons might be a dangerous force if motivated. Indeed. Why wouldn’t the administration want to keep us as friends instead of trying to push us to the fringe? Why would anyone wish to motivate us to congeal into a force to be reckoned with? I don’t get it. I feel the old Marine saying of “No better friend..No worse enemy” applies here. Make us your friends, not your adversary!
April 18, 2009 at 3:59 pm
xtrabiggg
Fatherland Security is more interested in protecting those in power and their ideological reshaping of American Society than they are in TRULY defending this country from terrorist attacks. This Action Paper is essentially a blueprint for a coordinated attack on law-aabiding Americans’ constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms.
Adolph Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Josef Stalin would be proud of the way DHS is proceeding to impose ideological and intellectual hygeine on the American Public. Of course, the corporate-controlled media is toadying right along, just as the did in Nazi Germany! WHat is really strange and frightening is how the Minstry of Truth- er… DHS categorizes factual events such as job loss to companies overseas, home foreclosures and llegal immigration problems as ‘perceived’ events- as if we are all suffering from a mass hallucination as we watch our savings and pensions looted and our houses foreclosed upon!
It is all too familiar a scenario: any opposition to official government policy MUST be classified as a de-fact mental illness. This will justify any illegal and unconstitutional actions taken against those who oppose policy as ‘for their own good’, and ‘in the best interests of the country’. What’s next- re-education camps and a gulag system for anyone espousing ‘incorrect’ opinions? Reports like this one are laying the foundation for such actions!
I’m sure, however, that this is just a paranoid delusion on my part. The government REALLY DOES care about me! I should voluntarily report to the re-education center, since feeling bad about the government is tantamount to mental illness- so I must be sick!
God help America… I barely recognize it anymore…
xtrabiggg
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April 19, 2009 at 2:03 am
Chase Stevens
1984 reference high five!
April 18, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Jaime
This is the last straw how many vets they think they can seduce to betray the constitution of the US by the way I am a veteran myself they made me who I am now and telling the honest true like me there are more vets that will stand up and give one more fight to conserve our freedom and all the good principles and fundamentals that make the United States of America the best nation on this planet God Bless America!!!!!!!!
April 18, 2009 at 5:04 pm
KotaKat
I am a Viet thru Desert Storm Veteran. I am the daughter and step-daughter of a veteran. I am the sister of two veterans. I am the wife of a veteran. I am a disabled veteran. I am a Christian, pro-life and support the 1st and 2nd amendments! To top it off, I live in rural Idaho! Oh, and yeah, I’m Native American. Ooooo – DHS you best watch out for me!
When I went through my courses I learned not only how to fight, but WHO to fight FOR and who to fight AGAINST! I am not about to be recruited by some Al-Q wanna-be! I’d probably laugh in his face and pull a citizens arrest. (not a problem here) So, Miss Karen, I will pray for you and your cronies, and invite you to meet with some of the disabled Vets, and other returning Vets you some “gracefully” maligned in you lovely report!
Kota = Friend (Person) Kat of Idaho
April 19, 2009 at 12:37 am
Jane Allen
KotaKat, we’re proud of you and every other vet, and thank GOD for your courage and willingness to protect our country. We may be a people who love peace, but we will only take so much. I feel that many of us suddenly realize that Washington is no longer run by men of character and integrity who serve the people of this country. We have been lulled by smiles and motivating words, words that comfort and make us feel good, and optimistic that whatever we need will be provided—if only we relinquish our cherished independence. Sadly, many are willing to do just that. On the other hand there are those of us who identified with what Governor Perry implied. At least, it is what I have been forced to consider. That one day we may divide this great Union, because the two world views just cannot be reconciled.
April 19, 2009 at 2:05 am
Chase Stevens
“We may be a people who love peace…”
The worlds perception of the USA is slightly different.
April 18, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Ann's new friend
Robin Larson says above that Obama’s administration is doing exactly those things that they accused the Bush administration of doing. The charges were false concerning Bush. But I agree with Robin Larson’s observation.
And I would go further in suggesting that if one wonders what the “progressives” intend to do next, just look at what they falsely accused Republicans of doing.
Along those lines, one might ask where Obama’s initial support came from in the early days of his ambition. Somebody promoted him and foisted him into the public arena. Recall, he was an obscure state legislator from Illinois and a college professor. Leftists believed, at various times, that Karl Rove or Dick Cheney were the actual power “behind” Bush. While it was silly and paranoid for them to “misunderestimate” President Bush, I think it’s reasonable to question whether others behind Obama are actually calling the shots — someone besides the Teleprompter, that is.
Bush had the experience that goes with being a governor of one of the largest states in the union, as well as the unique experiences of a president’s son. Obama has all the broad man-of-the-world knowledge that goes hand in hand with being a community organizer. So, whose really minding the store?
April 18, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Who's really minding the store ?
Ask James Carvel, Bill Aries, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Billy “boy” Clinton, his mistress Monica and disheveled wife – Sec. Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Harry
Reid, Boxer, and all the rest of the radical left wing TERRORIST extremist.
April 19, 2009 at 2:07 am
Chase Stevens
Its obviously the bilderburg group calling the shots behind Obama. /sarcasm
April 18, 2009 at 6:43 pm
[Name Withheld]
I can’t believe it.
Guess I will end up packing my bags for Israel… been there (and on both “sides of the fence”!), have seen the truth with my own eyes, and Israel is indeed our greatest ally (although neither DoD or DoS would ever admit it!)
Sorry folks, but the welcome mat for American Patriots has been pulled out from under our feet… And we are now suffering terribly because of it.
Time to stop it now(!)… and peacefully. 😉
Oh yeah… and if I had any FOUO information to take with me… I’d give it to Mossad, the IDF, and Israeli Knesset in a heartbeat!
(Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge Mister Commander-in-Chief, SecDef, and all other “parties of interest”!)
I may one day be smiling at you all in an Israeli uniform (and without any shame of defeat or cowardice on my face!) Cry if you want to Mr. President, but I will not bear the shame of cowardice or defeat!
God help us all.
April 19, 2009 at 12:01 am
Joy
The best way to stop the process taking place right now in the left-wing controlled government – is 1) to pray for all of our govet. officials, and 2) to VOTE OUT the far left liberals who are downing the dollar. We have the right to free speech, and also the right to vote. Let’s strive keep peace in our nation. And don’t underestimate the power of God to change even kings in high places.
April 19, 2009 at 2:10 am
Chase Stevens
I wouldn’t think that the republicans would have the power to vote out Obama, considering it was (to my knowledge) a fairly big margin between him and Mccain.
April 19, 2009 at 1:51 am
Arnie
Why don’t you right wingers just quite your whining and just shut up along with that fat wind bag named Rush Limbag. You can not get over the fact your buddy McCain lost the election and Bush was immcompent to be a president. Also, shut up about immgradtion because the immgrant is taking the jobs you are too lazy to do because you can not make money.
April 19, 2009 at 2:09 am
Chase Stevens
“immgrant is taking the jobs you are too lazy to do because you can not make money.”
Not only that but the immgrant is also willing to work for far less.
April 19, 2009 at 2:10 am
immcompent
If you’re going to critisize others for being incompetant then at least learn how to spell it first. HA Haaaa, got you good !!!
April 19, 2009 at 8:59 am
Chase Stevens
As should you it is not ‘incompetant’ it is incompetent.
For that you fail.
April 21, 2009 at 5:49 am
One letter keystroke error
Chase, you have failed for equating a one letter keystroke error with an obvious “immcompent” speller.
April 19, 2009 at 8:33 pm
elaine
Unfortunatly Arnie, you fail to see what those who are opposed to what this govenmentis doing, is all about. It has nothing to do with losing an election. The margian was not that great and considering that Obama runs his administration based on polls, he must be worried that his job performance is getting lower and lower with each passing week. Why else would he have the DHS letter leaked to the press. He is terrified of losing support in Congress and he will use whatever means possible to keep his power.
Trust me I am an independent and my son is a democrat and although I didn’t vote for OBama, when he first hit the scene I did think he had alot to say, but then I realized he was so scripted he couldn’t actually believe what he was saying. He said and did what was necessary to get elected. My son did vote for him and in just 3 short months he has regreted that decision; he sees what is happening and is truly scared as he knows he and his children and their children will be burdened with the taxes needed to pay off the debt being heaped on this country. The anger with our govenrment has nothing to do with who won the election, it has to do with our Constitution being trampled on, our President lowering our place in the world and spending beyond what is responsible. Plain and simple.
As I read comments here by liberals and obama supporters, it amazes me that they cannot argue with facts; all that is posted is meaness, labeling, vitriol, etc. There is nothing they can offer other than the DNC talking points. Obama knows esactly who supported him and he continues to work towards keeping them uneducated and indoctrinated with the idea that the government is the answer to all their problems. I would ask have any of you had your mortgage paid for by him yet, have any of you received more than an extra $20.00 in your paycheck (that is the tax-cut he speaks about). The democratic party is all about keeping power at any cost; they do not want anyone to see behind the curtain of their corruption. Why else would they continue to push for public education? Face it they know that through public education, they can indoctrinate children to learn only what they want them to learn;it is apparent now that children are not being taught the truth about our history and because of that, they do not know why and how this country was founded and what our Constitution is all about.
Democrats are all for keeping illegal immigrants in this country and giving them the right to vote; simply put, then they would have those votes in their pockets. Obama lifted some of the sanctions on Cuba because he knows he will then have the cuban americans in his pocket in 2012. Every group the democrats pander to is not because they feel for them, it is only because they need their votes. Pure and simple, the democrats buy votes, because they know they cannot win any other way.
I ask those who are in support of Obama to please bring specifics to their arguments.
April 19, 2009 at 2:24 am
George
We won’t shut up on this blog because we believe in our Constitutional Freedom of Speech Rights. The very same rights that you just exercised. No one is asking you to give up your rights to blog so why would you demand us to give up ours ?
April 19, 2009 at 2:54 am
MrKarma
Chase Stevens, I am truly amazed at your ignorance regarding evolution, Christianity, immigration, world perception of USA, communism, poverty, and the right to bear arms. I applaud the others who are better than and I refused to grace your stupidity with a reply.
April 19, 2009 at 8:56 am
Chase Stevens
It appears you just did.
Now tell me exactly what parts concerning Evolution, Christianity, immigration, the world perception of the USA, communism, poverty and…the right to bear arms?
When did I even touch on that subject?
I’ll have to go back and check. I’m afraid that I don’t remember saying anything about your right to bear arms.
Please explain so that I may change my responses. That is assuming that I am incorrect and it is not you who is misinformed Mr Karma.
Which I am leaning towards on most counts that you are.
April 19, 2009 at 10:55 am
George Haines City Florida
I have read the DHS Report and find it disgusting. I believe the constructors of this report should be fired and anybody that condoned it should be fired. It really makes me want to throw up.
I attended the Lakeland Florida Tea Party on April 15th. approx 1500 attended in little Lakeland Florida on a week day.
I believe these tea parties are a strong threshold for an up and comming third party and after listening and talking to these strong Americans, once this third party is formed it will absolutely kick the hind end off of the repubs and dems. Contrary to the Spin Networks and CONTROLLED Mainstream Media, the issues brought up and discussed at the tea parties had nothing to do with the Dems or Repubs nor did they have anything to do with Conservatives or Liberals.
What the participants of the tea parties were doing was asking what authority is the senate and house acting under to trash our constitution and instill on our childrens grandchildren propeptual slavery. Why is it so impossible for obamma to produce the birth certificate??? McCain produced his immediately and didn’t have a problem with it.
Hmmm!!! does this make anybody wonder what is really going on ??? Where are our elected Statesmen, What has happened to the Oath of Office ????
I guess participating in this blog makes me some kind of a terrorist or radical.
Praise God !!!
George
April 19, 2009 at 3:02 pm
james
I’am disgusted by this report and what this adminastration is doing. They were up in arms when they heard about the CIA wire taps to combat terrorism and said it was illegal but they also went on a tirade against bush and now when they spy on normal americans who don’t share their view point we are racist and extremist’s. it make’s me sick what hypocrite’s they are and how much in common they have with rogue countrie’s who deny free speech .
April 19, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Dr. Alex Pierson
To: Chase Stevens
RE: Comments to others
Are you Conservative, Liberal or just blind? Evolution has become a “religion” and since it is a “religion” it can not be taught in schools. The same has occurred with the Green Movement, Global Warming and others like them. These people have formed a faith, and boy do they have a lot of faith.
You can sure comment on others comments. Just what do you believe in?
The Vets coming back are not terrorists. They are Americans. They never asked for this war, it was thrown upon them by muslims. Remember your history of WWII, these muslims ran most of the SS death camps, They were considered Aryan by Hitler himself.
Also, ask a KKK member how he can hate Jews but follow the teachings of a Jewish Rabi? They can’t answer, because they don’t believe.
I’ll be waiting to see what you can come with to knock me down.
April 20, 2009 at 6:49 am
Chase Stevens
Tickle me pink someone wants to fight!
Great, we both might learn something.
What do I believe in? While I wear glasses I am not blind, am I concervative or liberal? There are more than two different political options you know. I am a centrist there are thing that I agree with and things I disagree with. But I’m not closed minded I am willing to discuss and accept new ideas, providing they have some merit.
Religion
1. beliefs and worship: people’s beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of God, a god, or gods, and divine involvement in the universe and human life
2. system: an institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine
3. personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by.
Right now from what you are saying Evolution now deals with the nature God(s) and is based on my own personal belief system? Thats news to me Dr Pierson. I would describe Evolution as:
1. biology theory of development from earlier forms: the theoretical process by which all species develop from earlier forms of life.
According to this theory, natural variation in the genetic material of a population favours reproduction by some individuals more than others, so that over the generations all members of the population come to possess the favourable traits.
2. biology developmental process: the natural or artificially induced process by which new and different organisms develop as a result of changes in genetic material
At least thats how I would describe it.
Now if you read this carefully the report does not call the Vets terrorists it states the terrorists may attempt to recruit Vets to right wing exetremist groups, especially those who are disgruntled or are suffering mentally. It does not say “All vets who are right wing are terrorists and must be locked up” and yes there are people out there who would willingly go to extremes to do what they would percieve as justice, just because someone has returned from a war does not make them incapable of acts that are against the law however extreme those acts may be. You seem to be implying the opposite.
As for you comment on how most SS camps were run by Muslims, that may be true: However do you judge all Islamic people because of what some did in the past? What some still do today? Should I judge all christians on the holy crusades, salem witch hunts, the way they persecuted jews? Should I judge all USA citizens on the way the indigenous americans were treated upon arrival? Should I do the same to Australians?
No I do not judge an entire people on they way they have acted in the past, that would be unjust and unfair.
and implying that the Muslims who ran the SS camps have the same agenda as the ones who now seek to destabalise the western world is foolish.
I’m not sure what you’re asking in that last part about the KKK, so could you enlighten me?
Hopefully this hasn’t ‘knocked you down’ so to speak because that would be very boring.
Thank you for raising some things to disscuss hopefully we can continue.
April 20, 2009 at 6:06 pm
George
If the DHS report doesn’t call Veterans terrorist then why did Sec. Napolitano just appologize to Veterans?
April 19, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Ray
I am a Viet Nam Vet, 1972-1973. In the latter stages of the war, we were abandoned by those who sent us and funded us. Our friends, neighbors and even family members turned their backs on us.
I came home to a hostile society. Movies, music, magazine and newspaper articles all contributed to the hostility of society toward her warriors in the 60’s and 70’s.
We fought for the freedom and democracy of the Viet Namese and in a larger sense to prevent the forces of evil (Communism) from taking over an oppressed people.
Then we came home and had to fight our fellow citizens for our self respect and dignity.
My brothers-in-arms who have and are now serving in the Middle East are fighting the identical two-pronged war: to liberate an oppressed people and then for their own sense of self worth.
The anti-war crowd needs to accept responsibility for the harmful effects of their words and actions as they seek to denigrate, insult and weaken the morale and effectiveness of our nation’s warriors. This report by DHS conveniently absolves itself of all responsibility of the effects of their words, policies and actions.
April 20, 2009 at 6:58 am
Chase Stevens
As someone who is a little anti-war I am disgusted by the way the veitnam veterans were treated, when I see or read about the way you and they were treated I wonder how can the anti-war protesters justify their actions?
I’ve been taught for a long time that I don’t have to support the war but I must support the troops. Because after all it wasn’t you who started the war it wasn’t you who asked to be sent over there was it? No it was not, wars are started by people in suits who rule countries.
The anti-war crowd does need to accept resposibility for the way it treats its troops. How can they target you when it is their leaders fault that you are there in those circumstances in the first place? It disgusts me that people cannot look far enough beyond their own nose and see who is truely at fault.
You don’t have to support the war, but you must support the troops.
April 19, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Mildly concerned
I have got the same views of many people that have posted on this site.
But I have another question…. Who is Chase Stevens? Most people don’t read all comments on a blog of this magnitude but interestingly enough he has messaged back to numerous comments left and also mad comments of his own. Not in agreement or disagreement… but almost in a plea for more debate. Like he is trying to pull out the so-called “extremists”. So if anyone (or himself) can tell me why he has such great interest in this blog…I would love to fulfill my curiosity.
April 20, 2009 at 4:51 am
Chase Stevens
I enjoy pointing out misconceptions, firing up debate. It’s healthy plus people (including myself) learn things. Well sometimes some people just get angry when presented with other points of view, or when an arguement is raised that they have no counter-arguement for.
Basicly I’m just trying to inject some counter-arguements here and point out when someones arguement is weak because they don’t have all the facts, granted I don’t have all the facts either but if enough debate is made perhaps I will.
Anyway I hope that answers your question Mr(s?) Concerned.
April 21, 2009 at 2:10 am
Enjoys pointing others misconceptions
So you actually enjoy provoking others just to get a reaction out of them, all the while your country is going to hell.
I suppose you think of yourself as a patriot too ?
April 19, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Dylan Tripp
Chase,
Don’t let the government put anything on your hand or forehead, that will be required in order for you to buy anything or sell anything. No matter what they tell you, don’t do it!!!! If you do, it will be an eternity in hell for you. Just thought I’d tell you the truth.
Dylan
April 20, 2009 at 4:53 am
Chase Stevens
I’ve no idea what you are on about, but I’ll keep it in mind just in case.
Aside: You don’t need to sign your comment at the end either, your name appears in the top left corner of your name.
The more you know….
April 20, 2009 at 12:47 am
Anthony
The bottom line is that it is important to educate ourselves in the matters at hand, so that WE the people determine the course of this great land of opportunity. WE must never forget those that came before us and the sacrifices millions have made to ensure OUR way of life. Many of us are ignorant and just ‘go with the flow’, but I am proud that there has been efforts to educate people on the choices we have and that this country was founded on certain principles…namely that the government is FOR the people and BY THE PEOPLE-in short the government answers to US…we however have been asleep at the proverbial ‘wheel’-this is not a left/right issue-IT’S AN AMERICAN ISSUE, and as an American I will do everything in my power to educate those around me to the choice WE the people have. It is going to take the PEOPLE OF THIS REPUBLIC TO MAKE A CHANGE, NOT ONE MAN. This is a dangerous concept of immense egoism portrayed by this Admin. WE need to get back on track and stop focusing on which side to blame…matter of fact why do we only have the two prominent parties…WE should ask questions and DEMAND ANSWERS from this ‘psuedo-omnipotent’ Government entity that is rapidly growing out of control. It is important that we voice our concern BEFORE we are no longer allowed to, as conveyed by this pathetic DHS report. I will leave you, my people, my fellow Americans, my brothers and sisters with this…bring the focus back to the REAL issues, DO NOT be deterred from voicing your concerns, for that is our RIGHT, it’s almost as if we have reverted back to the days of taxation without representation (…wait, isn’t that what helped spark the American Revolution??). Those who are in control want to impose their will on the masses, such has it been perpetuated throughout history. IT IS ONLY WHEN THE VOICE AND WILL OF A NATION UNITE TO MAKE A REAL CHANGE. They have taken US, the people for granted and have used US AND OUR CHILDREN as collateral to pay off this debt.
The ONLY reason people should read this report, is to truly get an understanding of what this government thinks of its people-what we don’t get to read are the countermeasures this government will take to control the masses….
The have abused the American peoples hope for change and have ‘re-packaged’ facist socialism to make it marketable to the masses-hook, line, and sinker. WE have been forced into a corner (and it will get increasingly tighter…) and made to believe that the government is the only solution-NOT SO! And that is why we, here on this site, voicing our concern and WE will get this country back on course!
I ask…when did we start catering to everyone else, except those (i.e. the people) who make up this great country?
It’s sad to say…but this is a mockery of what America once stood for…what this blessed country was founded on, and what’s even worse…is that it’s OUR fault for not getting involved and not being educated on the matters at hand.
I know that it can be overwhelming, almost as if nothing can be done…but the WILL of the American people should never be underestimated. This is not extremist talk, this is REVOLUTIONARY TALK. To call this extremist talk would classify our Forefathers in the same category….
Food for thought.
April 20, 2009 at 7:50 pm
George
There’s just too many of us real Americans still living in this country who have already fought for our current freedoms, too suddenly just lay down and allow this out of control government to take away our God given and Constitutional Freedoms just so that we can make the rest of the world like us.
obama, go back to all these other countries that seem to love your feel good tingley speeches so much and really see just how much you like living under their socialism before you try to change our country.
April 21, 2009 at 3:59 am
Chase Stevens
You realise the american economy is a mixed economy right?
April 21, 2009 at 11:33 am
Lee
I agree it is our fault. We should have been speaking out many years ago.
April 20, 2009 at 8:29 am
richard berg
nothing has changed. It is political spin trying to justify the last eight years of flag waving conservatives.
April 20, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Dick Wolbert
Seems this has become a personal outlet for Chase Stevens.
Being a centralist, he can attack everyone, but accomplish nada.
Apparently, if yoy have a shady past, cannot pay your own taxes, love the Clintons and hate America, Obamanation will hire you. What a nice way to solve unemplyment.
April 21, 2009 at 3:37 am
Chase Stevens
Well attack and criticize are different things. I just simply refuse to prescibe to a political wing for the convenience of it. I know what I like about the left and I know what I like about the right conversely I know what I dislike about the left and right wings and trust me this isn’t the only blog I’m commenting on. A bunch of left wingers are getting a little annoyed as well.
As for achieving ‘nada’ I’d like to think that people are taking into consideration what I am saying, rather than just getting angry.
April 20, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Richard
It is my belief and probably that of others that we the people of the United States elect our congressmen and our president to run our country in a manner suitable to us.
The congress and the president should try listening to we who voted them into office and act in our behalf, doing what is best for the citizens of the U.S. and not just what “they” think is right based on their ideology.
April 20, 2009 at 6:05 pm
James (Jim) Hadley
How long is it before Obama starts moving to round those of us up, or how long is it before we start seeing restrictions on churches, free speech, and right to assembly or right to bear arms? This is very troublesome. I am right in the thick of this, not only am I a retired vet but as a Christian that opposes abortion and homosexual rights I am more of a “threat” (according to this report) than normal. Anybody here ever heard of a recall? We need to get rid of this whole bunch of people in government.
April 20, 2009 at 7:54 pm
George Page
Yeah, we recalled Gov. Gray Davis a few years ago, so why can’t we recall obama ?
April 21, 2009 at 3:41 am
Chase Stevens
Because not enough people want to.
He’s far to popular not only in the United States but globally. Until he makes one gigantic stuff up it will be practicly impossible to remove him… unless you start a coup or revolution.
April 20, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Bill
To: Arnie and Chase, What are you thinking about?Do you understand
History? Look what happen to the collaborators during WWII, you guys will
be the first to go.The military is doing a job , they can turn their Guns in
any direction..do honestly think they will turn them on Americans and Family
members? Do understand this has happened in our History before. We the
great unwashed are not fooled by the left-wing zealots.those of us with
grey hair know our History, we know the truth, we lived the truth,I have watched This country slide left for years, and its all because of the Media
and our education system planted with liberal types, that foster a view
of life that would make Lenin proud.We are a great people,Inventive noble
generous,forgiving,honest,not quick to anger,and for the most part believe
in a Higher Power. How anyone can believe the smile of a baby could have
started in slime, and we are a few generations out of the trees is beyond
the pale.But think what you want its Ok because that the freedom you enjoy thanks to the countless veterans that have fought for you.
God bless our Men and Women in Uniform–Semper Fi
April 21, 2009 at 3:53 am
Chase Stevens
I’m assuming by a few generations out of the trees your referring to evolution? Because it’s not a few generations, it would be far far more. Unless you believe the earth is six thousand years old that is.
and yes I believe that the military could turn it’s guns on anyone just like a believe that any person given the opportunity and motive could turn a gun on anyone. While they may be doing a job lets not forget that they’re only human, people are capable of anything good or bad.
“How anyone can believe the smile of a baby could have
started in slime”
I don’t quite understand what you mean but I think its a dig at the theroy of evolution as well and I urge you to do some research on what evolution really is.
As for the USA sliding left, that obviously apparent considering all the red states that went blue and all the concervatives voting for Obama. But maybe it’s just that younger people are more accepting or that they’re willing to listen to and consider new ideas? Thats probably not the answer maybe people just didn’t like the Mccain/Palin combo. Who knows?
As for that last remark: Thanks the vets are people who should be respected and for the last few years I’ve made myself go to the local dawn service I just wish more people would stop taking their lives for granted and think about how and were they got these lives from.
April 22, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Kim Currier
You my liberal friend, are not fooling me… Turn me in, I will fight harder than even an ARMY can to liberate my country from you vermin!
April 20, 2009 at 9:05 pm
George
According to the lawsuit filed on 4/16/09 by the Thomas More Law Center in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan, this DHS Right Wing Extremism Report: “violates the civil liberties of combat veterans as well as American citizens by targeting them for disfavored treatment on account of their political beliefs”.
The DHS report specifically mentions the following political beliefs that law enforcement should use to determine whether someone is a “right wing extremist” threat:
Anyone who opposes:
restrictions on firearms
lax immigration
policies of President Obama regarding immigration, citizenship, and the expansion of social programs
continuation of the Free Trade Agreement
same-sex marriage
one world government
Anyone who is:
paranoid of foreign regimes
fearful of Communist
bemoans the decline of U.S. stature by the rest of the world
upset with the loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs to China and India
… and the list goes on and on.
April 21, 2009 at 2:39 am
patriot
we need to use the initiative process in our respective states to have the
people elect a patriot constitution enforcement board that would have the power to arrest and convict any elected government official for violating their oath of office. such board shall also administer the proper oath to all newly elected officials. no one but constitutionist patriots would be allowed to run for election to the board, and as shield to infiltration by false patriots the board as a whole could impeach try and convict anyone
not performing to uphold and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. then that person would forever be barred from the board. this impeachment could be initiated by any member of the board. we are not talking about trying them for treason the federal senate has that sole responsibility. this is a states right issue reserved to the people respectively under the 10th amendment. this could go along way toward stopping the left’s world govt. agenda as we could remove any state senator or congressman, assemblyman, or city, county, us representative of the state. imagine schumer, feinstein, lautenberg, kerry, in chains!!!!!!!
we just need a good constitutional expert to draft it in the spirit of the sovereignty of we the people. may god lay his mighty hand upon all patriots heads and guide us to sucess in this paramount task. amen.
in the body of the initiative it must state that we the peole recognize that
as Thomas Jefferson said; We want to bar totalitarian philosophy in all of it’s forms be it physical slavery, mental slavery, or economic slavery from ever entering our body politic and debated again. ie….marxism, facism, communism, socialism, nazism, feudalism, or any other totalitarian ideaology and philosophy that would poison, pervert,dilute,usurp,subvert,any portion of the constitution or bill of rights.
under the 1st amendment the enemies could profess the poison in public, but not in any government legislative house or senate. and of course we on the board could jail activist judges and bad cops. we could finally put some teeth back into the literal reading of the constitution. i am very sure the people would overwhelmingly vote to enact such legislation because it would be a direct patriot control on tyranny. I think our Founding Fathers never surmised that so many anti-constitutionists could saturate congress
and that is why they never enacted such a citizens board as this.
April 21, 2009 at 6:25 am
America lost freedom today !!!
You think the FHS Report took away your freedoms well obama also robs an additional 250,000 Americans of their freedoms with the disguise of the Americorps G.I.V.E. Act, signing today. Look up HR Bill 1388 Amendment #: 49; it says the following:
It prohibits organizations from attempting to influence legislation and engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes …
Yeah, right, I really want to G.I.V.E. up my Constitutional Freedom of Speech Rights so that I can serve obama with pure blind allegiance just like every dictator expects.
April 22, 2009 at 11:01 am
Enlightened by Chase Obama
I am beginning to believe this guy, Chase Stevens, is actually obama using an alias to argue and derail everything all of you are saying. It appears he is up to his old tactics of bait and switch and mindless comparisons to get you off of the real issue. Give it up, Chase obama Stevens!
As far as the rest of you, don’t give in to his mindlessness and argumentative tactics. Stand proud and stay the course!!! In God I trust.
April 22, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Jim Mendoza
There goes our reason for living there goes our happiness, there goes our Constitutional rights and freedoms that our ANCESTORS fought so hard for.(Thank you Mr. Obama) This country was maintained by the sacrifices of our fathers,mothers,sons and daughters that gave their all for our freedoms and what do we get a Slap in the Face. I am a 22 year Vet of two wars with two sons and a Grandson who proudly serve. My family goes way back to the start of this country and . Lets not forget this is AMERICA and be proud of it. SUPORT OUR VETS They are giving us the right to be able to write these comments.
April 22, 2009 at 2:43 pm
shotgunsusie
THE TIME TO ACT IS NOW! STAY SILENT NO MORE!!
PUT A SIGN IN YOUR YARD, ON YOUR PORCH, IN YOUR CAR, AT YOUR OFFICE,
PUTTING THIS GOVERNMENT ON NOTICE!
TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO DO THE SAME, PLASTER THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, MAKE IT GO VIRAL!
“REVOLUTION NOW!!”
tell everyone who asks WHY its there, and ask them if they are happy about it. if they aren’t, they need a sign too!!
PUT THIS GOVERNMENT ON NOTICE !
WE ARE HAVING A REVOLUTION, NOW!!
April 22, 2009 at 3:25 pm
A Evans
The Libs are laying the groundwork for an excuse to drag us out of our houses and put us in prison just like Hitler did.
They do not want anyone to remember Hitler.
Thank God they will have to get our guns away from us, (Like Hitler did) and brainwash our military boys first. That won’t be easy.
I think (Hope) they started to early and will get stomped just like Hitler did.
They should have waited another generation or two.
To many people are still alive that will recognize what is going on.
They are making astonishingly good headway though.
April 22, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Tony V
To ALL VETERANS,PAST ,PRESENT AND FUTURE.
I want to send out this OVERDUE THANK YOU !!!
My dad served in WWII and KOREA. I was raised in a very patriotic home .
I was taught firearms safety as soon as I was old enough to hold a gun.
I was also taught to respect my elders and to respect the rights of other people to have their opinions even if I didn’t agree with them.
I am sorry to say, After reading this ASSessment, Its plain to see that these people at the office of intelligence and analysis don’t respect my right to my own opinion! In my opinion the office of intelligence and analysis is an OXYMORON !!!THEY CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN THEY PRY THEM FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS !! NEW HAMPSHIRE, LIVE FREE OR DIE!!
May 1, 2009 at 8:19 pm
James Basil Dickinson
If we wait to vote them out they will have won. We must stop them now! Our forefathers didn’t wait, they fought, and everything that we do from this day forward should be organize, get ready and fight. Fight in the courts, forming militias, electing leaders, putting out the undocumented persons, and aresting those who are treasonable persons. Anyone from the pres on down, that produces a document that cancels any pert of the constitution, or bill of rights, or Federalist papers, should be seized and brought to trial, and if found guilty, exacuted. All contact with the UN should be terminated immeadiately! If they try to interfere, they will be counted an enemy of our country, and dealt with accordingly. LETS MOVE!